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/11. that was the argument that was being made that we had to do all of these other things and got into afghanistan and iraq. so there's no -- there's no argument from me or any republican. in fact, most republicans while you saw the losses in '06 and '08 came from those very republican whose stopped supporting the party, because it moved away from its conservative fiscal principles with respect to spending, by spending so much money. that's been the crust of this whole argument that helped form the tea party. the tea party folks by the way, did not start in 2009. >> right. that's my point. >> they've been in the works some time. >> they were absolutely silent. my point. >> when it came to spending the first coal health of the country. >> to bring it could current day, instead of going through the history, which i appreciate. right now we see that the discussion is back on potentially eliminating tax loopholes, lowering the corporate rate, which i am a big fan of and also part of the paul ryan plan. which was passed. sometimes being, a the speaker of the house can be a little like herding cats. i'm wonderin
. in ohio and pennsylvania. blue collar voters and plays a critical role in policy. right in afghanistan and the architect who negotiatinged the deal on the budget and taxes in december. i think he's probably the single closest person now to the president. three, presidents in modern times don't do this. it's only been done twice. gerald ford did it and ended up with bob dole, who got on television and talked about democrat wars, and probably shattered whatever chance ford had, and franklin roosevelt did it in 1944, but frankly could have run on a laundry ticket and gotten re-elected. i don't think it's going to happen. >> willie brown, bop schrum make as compelling case. do you have a case that trumps that? a case for governor cuomo? >> i would not suggest any circumstances that joe biden be pushed out. i think it's joe biden's option. if joe biden decides he wants to be secretary of state and hillary clinton leaves before the re-election process completes itself, then i think it will be necessary for biden and obama together to make a decision. and i think if they do make the decision
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